Elo score boom

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Elo score boom

Post#1 » 23 Feb 2017, 10:00

Well were having the biggest source of elo starting from now! Get ready to notice it...

Heres 1(ONE) of the possible combinations, this was discussed before.

before.

Scale of10 players with 1000 elo(not sure if im accurate) all are variables.
A 1000
B 1000
C 1000
D 1000
E 1000
1 1000
2 1000
3 1000
4 1000
5 1000

Lets lets say there's some fight that made changes.
A 1100 (+100)
B 1050 (+50)
C 1060 (+40)
D 1010 (+10)
E 1000 (-+0)
1 1000 (-+0)
2 980 (-10)
3 960 (-40)
4 950 (-50)
5 900 (-100)


In the scale of per 10 players lets say the situation is inactivity.

Now all players 1-2-3-4-5 is inactive
From 10 players fighting on 10000 elo.
The situation caused,
5 players fighting on 5200 elo
Thus +200 elo is created.

Scaled up which resulted to top score at 2200
And average top 10 at 1600 most recent is 1800.


Now that theres the 'demo, full version'
It make the elo boom 2x.?

Just 1(ONE) of the combinations,

Scale of 10 demo players with 1000 elo all are variables.
A 1000
B 1000
C 1000
D 1000
E 1000
1 1000
2 1000
3 1000
4 1000
5 1000

Lets lets say there's some fight that made changes.
A 1100 (+100)
B 1050 (+50)
C 1060 (+40)
D 1010 (+10)
E 1000 (-+0)
1 1000 (-+0)
2 980 (-10)
3 960 (-40)
4 950 (-50)
5 900 (-100)


In the scale of per 10 players lets say the situation is thatthe demo player did not buy

Now all players 1-2-3-4-5 did not buy the game so they cant continue to play.

From 10 players fighting on 10000 elo.
The situation caused,
5 players fighting on 5200 elo
Thus +200 elo is created.


im not so sure about this, just got in my mind.
Reverse it and it will make ELO FADE, but on top leagues got 1800 average top 10 and that would still increase even higher maybe?


Fun fact.
If player TCT will not come back the system has lost
-1100 elo points from a SINGLE player.
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Re: Elo score boom

Post#2 » 23 Feb 2017, 10:36

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=414

viewtopic.php?f=22&t=126&start=20#p3880

it seems that there is an inflation of score points in the top league, maybe due to points taken from players joining the top league, losing points and then stopping playing or going back to lower leagues. In this way (at glance, it has to be formalized a bit better) the top league is slowly accumulating more and more points that then end up on the top players (especially if those do not get inactive for long time).

The phenomena is balanced only when top players (top league) stop playing, making points not accessible to others (because there is no exchange of points with those players).

Once reaching 1700 points was difficult, then reaching 1800 points was difficult, then will be 1900 and so on. Unless, as written above, top players go inactive and the points gained are removed from the pool of points exchanged. The same would happen if a lot of players over 1000 (the starting score) gets inactive, they will retain more and more points out of the pool of points getting exchanged.


There is no really a big problem I suppose. A lot of 1000+ players stop playing so a lot of points are balanced out. At the end the top league will have more and more points only if the top players continue to play. For example with the disappearance of tct, tralalo and co, for t800 was difficult to get the 2200 points gained by tct. Now it seems that more points are accumulated again.

I mean even if scores grow (as it will), there may be moments that a lot of points are frozen in top players accounts, moments of less people playing in general (so points lost), and in the worste case one will have relative scores just going up slowly, nothing bad.
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Re: Elo score boom

Post#3 » 23 Feb 2017, 13:06

Anyway thanks to the new nice info on the stats page by GFX we know the total score points accumulated in the master league. I may have to start to make screenshots of those too to see how the top league collects or not points.

So the average is (sum_point/number of players), so to get the sum_points one does average*num_players

So we have:


l7
League stats
Active players (1 week): 138

Score
Average: 1512
Median: 1451
Min: 1304
Max: 2050
sum 1512*138 : 208656


l6
League stats
Active players (1 week): 90

Score
Average: 1301
Median: 1305
Min: 1206
Max: 1393
sum: 1301 * 90 - 117090

l5
League stats
Active players (1 week): 172
Score
Average: 1192
Median: 1191
Min: 1101
Max: 1293
sum: 205024

l4
League stats
Active players (1 week): 298
Score
Average: 1109
Median: 1107
Min: 1000
Max: 1198
sum: 330482

So actually if one analyses the trend of the sum (I can do it from time to time, it is not needed a continous survey, although it would be more precise) one can see if the top league is harvesting point as it should be.

Another easy way for this, although less precise, the average in the top league should slowly raise after a period of stabilization. (I suppose the top league is not yet stable because the median is not so close to 1400)
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Re: Elo score boom

Post#4 » 28 Feb 2017, 18:48

Collecting data for future reference

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Grand Master League
Stats | Leaderboard | Matches History | Latest Matches
Active players (1 week): 164

Demotion Score: 1300
Promotion Score: - (top league)
XP
Average: 502453 (LVL 7)
Median: 217014 (LVL 7)
Min: 66411 (LVL 5)
Max: 7859832 (LVL 7)
Score
Average: 1501
Median: 1450
Min: 1307
Max: 2054



Master League
Stats | Leaderboard | Matches History | Latest Matches
Active players (1 week): 97

Demotion Score: 1200
Promotion Score: 1400
XP
Average: 130550 (LVL 6)
Median: 112632 (LVL 6)
Min: 35091 (LVL 4)
Max: 675848 (LVL 7)
Score
Average: 1304
Median: 1307
Min: 1201
Max: 1382



Diamond League
Stats | Leaderboard | Matches History | Latest Matches
Active players (1 week): 192

Demotion Score: 1100
Promotion Score: 1300
XP
Average: 76339 (LVL 5)
Median: 62655 (LVL 4)
Min: 13324 (LVL 2)
Max: 387266 (LVL 7)
Score
Average: 1193
Median: 1193
Min: 1101
Max: 1297


Platinum League
Stats | Leaderboard | Matches History | Latest Matches
Active players (1 week): 299

Demotion Score: 1000
Promotion Score: 1200
XP
Average: 38472 (LVL 4)
Median: 24659 (LVL 3)
Min: 4679 (LVL 1)
Max: 406606 (LVL 7)
Score
Average: 1109
Median: 1111
Min: 1008
Max: 1197
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Re: Elo score boom

Post#5 » 01 Mar 2017, 05:03

Papa pier can take over this post, cuz
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Re: Elo score boom

Post#6 » 01 Mar 2017, 13:51

Yup I will for statistics, first some weeks has to pass though.
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Re: Elo score boom

Post#7 » 01 Mar 2017, 20:58

I'm curious about what would happen if several top ranked players intentionally start losing matches to drop to a lower tier, and then try to get back up again. This makes little sense other than to test out stuff. Because Alpha.

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Re: Elo score boom

Post#8 » 01 Mar 2017, 21:04

I guess the score will be distributed and then accumulated again.

The score formula is such that if you don't have a clear advantage over the others, you won't keep higher scores for too long.
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Re: Elo score boom

Post#9 » 07 Mar 2017, 10:58

Notice how the average of master league slightly increased (now the population is still not settled after the introduction of the paywall + google promotion. Some more days for it to settle)

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Grand Master League
Stats | Leaderboard | Matches History | Latest Matches
Active players (1 week): 145

Demotion Score: 1300
Promotion Score: - (top league)
XP
Average: 563972 (LVL 7)
Median: 220384 (LVL 7)
Min: 73724 (LVL 5)
Max: 8431889 (LVL 7)
Score
Average: 1514
Median: 1465
Min: 1303
Max: 2031




Master League
Stats | Leaderboard | Matches History | Latest Matches
Active players (1 week): 69

Demotion Score: 1200
Promotion Score: 1400
XP
Average: 142492 (LVL 6)
Median: 118842 (LVL 6)
Min: 21032 (LVL 3)
Max: 683078 (LVL 7)
Score
Average: 1304
Median: 1303
Min: 1201
Max: 1394


Diamond League
Stats | Leaderboard | Matches History | Latest Matches
Active players (1 week): 128

Demotion Score: 1100
Promotion Score: 1300
XP
Average: 78714 (LVL 5)
Median: 59806 (LVL 4)
Min: 14190 (LVL 2)
Max: 479176 (LVL 7)
Score
Average: 1194
Median: 1203
Min: 1105
Max: 1281

Platinum League
Stats | Leaderboard | Matches History | Latest Matches
Active players (1 week): 250

Demotion Score: 1000
Promotion Score: 1200
XP
Average: 30465 (LVL 3)
Median: 16337 (LVL 3)
Min: 4496 (LVL 1)
Max: 222948 (LVL 7)
Score
Average: 1113
Median: 1113
Min: 1001
Max: 1191

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Re: Elo score boom

Post#10 » 13 Mar 2017, 10:30

The average of the top league is still slowly raising (translated: accumulation of points in the league).

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Grand Master League
Stats | Leaderboard | Matches History | Latest Matches
Active players (1 week): 148

Demotion Score: 1300
Promotion Score: - (top league)
XP
Average: 614690 (LVL 7)
Median: 232773 (LVL 7)
Min: 52496 (LVL 4)
Max: 9091075 (LVL 7)
Score
Average: 1520
Median: 1474
Min: 1311
Max: 2062


Master League
Stats | Leaderboard | Matches History | Latest Matches
Active players (1 week): 82

Demotion Score: 1200
Promotion Score: 1400
XP
Average: 140958 (LVL 6)
Median: 108327 (LVL 6)
Min: 21344 (LVL 3)
Max: 951145 (LVL 7)
Score
Average: 1306
Median: 1302
Min: 1203
Max: 1391

Diamond League
Stats | Leaderboard | Matches History | Latest Matches
Active players (1 week): 142

Demotion Score: 1100
Promotion Score: 1300
XP
Average: 65437 (LVL 5)
Median: 54516 (LVL 4)
Min: 12808 (LVL 2)
Max: 324301 (LVL 7)
Score
Average: 1196
Median: 1199
Min: 1101
Max: 1290

Platinum League
Stats | Leaderboard | Matches History | Latest Matches
Active players (1 week): 323

Demotion Score: 1000
Promotion Score: 1200
XP
Average: 24170 (LVL 3)
Median: 12407 (LVL 2)
Min: 5131 (LVL 2)
Max: 223698 (LVL 7)
Score
Average: 1114
Median: 1114
Min: 1002
Max: 1197
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Re: Elo score boom

Post#11 » 13 Mar 2017, 23:39

TAI wrote:I'm curious about what would happen if several top ranked players intentionally start losing matches to drop to a lower tier, and then try to get back up again. This makes little sense other than to test out stuff. Because Alpha.


Я так делал. Бессмысленная трата времени.
I did that. A senseless waste of time.

Многие топ игроки, по моему, стараются держаться на плаву делая минимальное количество матчей.
Many top players, in my opinion, try to stay afloat making a minimum number of matches.

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Re: Elo score boom

Post#12 » 21 Mar 2017, 13:43

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Grand Master League
Stats | Leaderboard | Matches Activity | Latest Matches
Active players (1 week): 166

Demotion Score: 1300
Promotion Score: - (top league)
XP
Average: 591444 (LVL 7)
Median: 238389 (LVL 7)
Min: 54061 (LVL 4)
Max: 9758455 (LVL 7)
Score
Average: 1515
Median: 1459
Min: 1301
Max: 2154

Master League
Stats | Leaderboard | Matches Activity | Latest Matches
Active players (1 week): 75

Demotion Score: 1200
Promotion Score: 1400
XP
Average: 172410 (LVL 7)
Median: 114573 (LVL 6)
Min: 25454 (LVL 3)
Max: 1535884 (LVL 7)
Score
Average: 1296
Median: 1292
Min: 1210
Max: 1390

Diamond League
Stats | Leaderboard | Matches Activity | Latest Matches
Active players (1 week): 134

Demotion Score: 1100
Promotion Score: 1300
XP
Average: 62472 (LVL 4)
Median: 51997 (LVL 4)
Min: 13121 (LVL 2)
Max: 254458 (LVL 7)
Score
Average: 1192
Median: 1199
Min: 1100
Max: 1294

Platinum League
Stats | Leaderboard | Matches Activity | Latest Matches
Active players (1 week): 268

Demotion Score: 1000
Promotion Score: 1200
XP
Average: 25198 (LVL 3)
Median: 16202 (LVL 3)
Min: 4994 (LVL 1)
Max: 155027 (LVL 7)
Score
Average: 1109
Median: 1110
Min: 1009
Max: 1197
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Re: Elo score boom

Post#13 » 21 Mar 2017, 13:45

The average of the grand master league is pretty constant, around 1515. Interesting. I was expecting a slow but steady rise. Not yet happening.

It is also true, though, that maybe the points are accumulating on the topX players.
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Re: Elo score boom

Post#14 » 21 Mar 2017, 13:56

pier4r wrote:The average of the master league is pretty constant, around 1515. Interesting.


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Re: Elo score boom

Post#15 » 07 Apr 2017, 23:19

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Grand Master League
Stats | Leaderboard | Matches Activity | Latest Matches
Active players (1 week): 152

Demotion Score: 1300
Promotion Score: - (top league)
XP
Average: 672374 (LVL 7)
Median: 233934 (LVL 7)
Min: 57915 (LVL 4)
Max: 8874989 (LVL 7)
Score
Average: 1517
Median: 1464
Min: 1305
Max: 2228

Last update: 2017-04-07 22:16:41


Master League
Stats | Leaderboard | Matches Activity | Latest Matches
Active players (1 week): 56

Demotion Score: 1200
Promotion Score: 1400
XP
Average: 148879 (LVL 6)
Median: 125675 (LVL 6)
Min: 44064 (LVL 4)
Max: 643919 (LVL 7)
Score
Average: 1302
Median: 1305
Min: 1200
Max: 1385

Last update: 2017-04-07 22:06:41


Diamond League
Stats | Leaderboard | Matches Activity | Latest Matches
Active players (1 week): 97

Demotion Score: 1100
Promotion Score: 1300
XP
Average: 79681 (LVL 5)
Median: 58385 (LVL 4)
Min: 15767 (LVL 3)
Max: 546203 (LVL 7)
Score
Average: 1192
Median: 1189
Min: 1102
Max: 1289

Last update: 2017-04-07 22:06:40


Platinum League
Stats | Leaderboard | Matches Activity | Latest Matches
Active players (1 week): 165

Demotion Score: 1000
Promotion Score: 1200
XP
Average: 40806 (LVL 4)
Median: 18301 (LVL 3)
Min: 5559 (LVL 2)
Max: 1114815 (LVL 7)
Score
Average: 1106
Median: 1105
Min: 1010
Max: 1191

Last update: 2017-04-07 22:06:04



Notice how, for the top league, the average is still the same. There is no accumulation of points in the top league (otherwise it would explode), but there is a skewed distribution because the top players (say top20) accumulate most of the points from the medium-low players in the league.

Indeed this will be reported in a future update of this post:
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Re: Elo score boom

Post#16 » 08 Apr 2017, 10:30

Do you have any kind of graphs, where we can see the trend of the average score, matches played and player count per league over time?

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Re: Elo score boom

Post#17 » 08 Apr 2017, 10:36

Not really updated, but I did (and I'll do) stuff like this here: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=9

I have a couple fo threads with visualization around. Sooner or later I link them. Actually I may collect them in one post/wiki link. Thanks for the input!
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Re: Elo score boom

Post#18 » 18 Apr 2017, 15:04

wow, I was surprised to see so many players above 2000 elo. I thought the inflation would have stabilised by now.

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Re: Elo score boom

Post#19 » 18 Apr 2017, 15:19

I do believe is stabilized. The problem is that the points in the league, "pro capita" are more or less the same, just they are skewed on the top but not even so much.

In other words, although the points pro capita seems stable (recently the average reached 1530+ I will have to take a record in some days), few harvest their "money" and get richer , the middle class is stable in size and the rest are poor. To make an analogy with money.

This means that if the average points pro player in the league stay stable, I see two possibilities:
- 2000+ (or anyway very high scores) will be limited to an handful of people, because there is not enough 'harvesting power' to harvest all the others completely
- 2000+ can expand only if the total amount of players in the league expands (aka: the average is the same but the total amount of points available in the league grows).
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Re: Elo score boom

Post#20 » 18 Apr 2017, 15:28

One can notice, compared to the previous record, an increase of the average in grand master (1538 vs the previous ~1520) but also less players.

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Platinum League
Stats | Leaderboard | Matches Activity | Latest Matches
Active players (1 week): 171

Demotion Score: 1000
Promotion Score: 1200
XP
Average: 26441 (LVL 3)
Median: 17372 (LVL 3)
Min: 5299 (LVL 2)
Max: 223526 (LVL 7)
Score
Average: 1107
Median: 1111
Min: 1009
Max: 1194

Last update: 2017-04-18 14:48:12



Diamond League
Stats | Leaderboard | Matches Activity | Latest Matches
Active players (1 week): 96

Demotion Score: 1100
Promotion Score: 1300
XP
Average: 73773 (LVL 5)
Median: 49996 (LVL 4)
Min: 11312 (LVL 2)
Max: 572531 (LVL 7)
Score
Average: 1184
Median: 1176
Min: 1103
Max: 1291

Last update: 2017-04-18 14:48:18



Master League
Stats | Leaderboard | Matches Activity | Latest Matches
Active players (1 week): 54

Demotion Score: 1200
Promotion Score: 1400
XP
Average: 141298 (LVL 6)
Median: 103518 (LVL 5)
Min: 21042 (LVL 3)
Max: 1022928 (LVL 7)
Score
Average: 1309
Median: 1315
Min: 1226
Max: 1394

Last update: 2017-04-18 15:09:56



Grand Master League
Stats | Leaderboard | Matches Activity | Latest Matches
Active players (1 week): 131

Demotion Score: 1300
Promotion Score: - (top league)
XP
Average: 829808 (LVL 7)
Median: 255900 (LVL 7)
Min: 54001 (LVL 4)
Max: 9793978 (LVL 7)
Score
Average: 1538
Median: 1467
Min: 1300
Max: 2159

Last update: 2017-04-18 14:47:49

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