ELO computation changes

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Re: ELO computation changes

Post#61 » 04 Dec 2016, 16:58

pier4r wrote:GFX two questions.

1.If I edit and test a new AI and the game crashes, the AI is gone (happened 2 h ago). So I started to write the new AI again and I noticed that at every change there is a push to the server. So if one has stable internet, would be possible now to rely on the server data if crashes happen locally?


You're not the first player reporting crashes deleting AI changes. The problem is it's virtually impossible! :(
AIs (ans player stats) are saved in real time locally and pushed on server periodically (once every 30 seconds max).
So if you make a change and crash later, when restarting the game you should still have your changes.

Could you tell me how much AIs you have and on which device the crashes happen?
I suspect an insufficient memory problem.

pier4r wrote:2. this is a very niche request, would be like cream over an already supersized delicious cake, could be that for every match you know which version of the player data was used? For example I'm at version 3207 now, so even if I send a previous AI, does appear in the match that I'm at version 3207 (o previous)? Otherwise would be it possible to make a cross check with times where a version was received? (Since you already shared the times for the matches)

So with an analysis one can see after "which version" a player started to gain points or how much he worked on the AIs to keep his points.


I'm not sure to understand what you want. I could display the version number in the AI debugger when watching a replay but I guess this number wouldn't make a lot of sense for the player.

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Re: ELO computation changes

Post#62 » 04 Dec 2016, 17:37

GFX47 wrote:You're not the first player reporting crashes deleting AI changes. The problem is it's virtually impossible! :(
AIs (ans player stats) are saved in real time locally and pushed on server periodically (once every 30 seconds max).
So if you make a change and crash later, when restarting the game you should still have your changes.

Could you tell me how much AIs you have and on which device the crashes happen?
I suspect an insufficient memory problem.


The procedure was: I duplicated one AI, creating the copy sw3. Then I started to edit sw3 and testing it in training. The game crashed at some point (I was in training). I restarted it and it asked me "would you like to keep local data or server data?" I chose "local" and sw3 was gone.

I have 14 AIs listed, tablet nvidia shield k1 (no root, just default vendor OS), android 6.0.1 version 1 Juli 2016. kernel version 3.10.67+ buildbrain@mobile-u64-806 #1

At the moment I had telegram, xplore, konsole modus and gladiabots open.

I just wanted to know if clicking "server data" I would have got a version of sw3, although some minutes older.

I'm not sure to understand what you want. I could display the version number in the AI debugger when watching a replay but I guess this number wouldn't make a lot of sense for the player.


No it does not have to be shown to the player, I was thinking about a database dump to correlate how much the median elo of a player improved and how much versions the player produced. But at the end one can relate with games played so nothing special.
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Re: ELO computation changes

Post#63 » 04 Dec 2016, 17:37

Gfx my basic counter for this is to make ais offline and only on program ais screen not when playing a map to reduce crashes

And every once in a while like 5mins
I quit the game and open again to instant save the ai then if it crashes its not deleted
When going online i quit the game first so i wont lose the ai

The parent of the crashes like this is
Unsaved ai seted on a certain map,
And the server cannot find it on ai list.
Im not the best player, but atleast im something.I'm 8
Science is madness! 3:)

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Re: ELO computation changes

Post#64 » 05 Dec 2016, 10:55

GFX47 wrote:Let's try unlocking multiplayer like solo missions (after tutorial).


Oh wait, it was already the case XD

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Re: ELO computation changes

Post#65 » 05 Dec 2016, 12:05

Lol.
Im not the best player, but atleast im something.I'm 8
Science is madness! 3:)

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Re: ELO computation changes

Post#66 » 05 Dec 2016, 13:36

GFX47 wrote:
GFX47 wrote:Let's try unlocking multiplayer like solo missions (after tutorial).


Oh wait, it was already the case XD


That's good. It means that the dataset dump provided by you has already the "possibility of new players just jumping in the multiplayer".

Side note: with the alpha 5.3 could you release a new dump so we can have the "final" stats about alpha 5.0.5 to 5.2 ? Especially because in alpha 5.2 there were a lot of games and competition. Of course it would be awesome.

Side note2: as soon as I have time (I need to find a new system to run the script, my embedded device with 32 mb of ram hungs up) I will release the analysis about gae played / day, to see how the activity grows in gladiabots.

After that I will try to look up for the top 20 players (by score) how was their elo growth and the stats against other players.
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Re: ELO computation changes

Post#67 » 06 Dec 2016, 16:15

Games played per day (classified by league). I'm more and more interested in a possible dataset dump for alpha 5.x when the 5.3 is released, so we can see how things worked until the 5.2 was around.

My interpretation of the graph is the following: activity in league 1 starts to stabilize after an initial peak and goes a bit down, this maybe due to promotions without demotions. The other possibility is that players start to lose interest in the game. That is not uncommon for such games (not all the players that start to play chess online continue to play it for long time).

The same possibility may be valid for league2 and league3. League4 is quite stable instead.

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Re: ELO computation changes

Post#68 » 06 Dec 2016, 18:35

here the historical progression of the top 11.

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Maybe the next version will be ordered by median elo by date, so players can be compared a bit more.
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Re: ELO computation changes

Post#69 » 06 Dec 2016, 19:59

median elo by date (the median of the elo of the date), top 20

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playerID:474
date:2016-11-04, median_elo:1108
date:2016-11-05, median_elo:1480
date:2016-11-06, median_elo:1592
date:2016-11-10, median_elo:1612
date:2016-11-15, median_elo:1601
date:2016-11-16, median_elo:1607
date:2016-11-17, median_elo:1641
date:2016-11-18, median_elo:1658
date:2016-11-19, median_elo:1616
date:2016-11-20, median_elo:1642
date:2016-11-21, median_elo:1652
date:2016-11-23, median_elo:1640
date:2016-11-24, median_elo:1646
date:2016-11-25, median_elo:1656
date:2016-11-26, median_elo:1675
date:2016-11-28, median_elo:1705
date:2016-11-29, median_elo:1682

playerID:77
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date:2016-11-05, median_elo:1401
date:2016-11-07, median_elo:1429
date:2016-11-08, median_elo:1320
date:2016-11-09, median_elo:1249
date:2016-11-10, median_elo:1210
date:2016-11-11, median_elo:1359
date:2016-11-12, median_elo:1337
date:2016-11-13, median_elo:1460
date:2016-11-14, median_elo:1510

playerID:269
date:2016-11-04, median_elo:1107
date:2016-11-05, median_elo:1156
date:2016-11-06, median_elo:1319
date:2016-11-07, median_elo:1475
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date:2016-11-15, median_elo:1482
date:2016-11-16, median_elo:1363
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date:2016-11-18, median_elo:1517
date:2016-11-19, median_elo:1555
date:2016-11-20, median_elo:1570
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date:2016-11-27, median_elo:1516
date:2016-11-28, median_elo:1516
date:2016-11-29, median_elo:1507
date:2016-11-30, median_elo:1522

playerID:2735
date:2016-11-05, median_elo:1051
date:2016-11-06, median_elo:1166
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date:2016-11-08, median_elo:1188
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date:2016-11-18, median_elo:1420
date:2016-11-20, median_elo:1412
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date:2016-11-23, median_elo:1465
date:2016-11-24, median_elo:1427
date:2016-11-25, median_elo:1447
date:2016-11-26, median_elo:1423
date:2016-11-27, median_elo:1421
date:2016-11-28, median_elo:1473
date:2016-11-29, median_elo:1492
date:2016-11-30, median_elo:1487
date:2016-12-01, median_elo:1503

playerID:21222
date:2016-11-16, median_elo:1061
date:2016-11-17, median_elo:1190
date:2016-11-18, median_elo:1358
date:2016-11-19, median_elo:1353
date:2016-11-20, median_elo:1342
date:2016-11-21, median_elo:1454
date:2016-11-22, median_elo:1415
date:2016-11-23, median_elo:1430
date:2016-11-24, median_elo:1501
date:2016-11-25, median_elo:1597
date:2016-11-26, median_elo:1594
date:2016-11-27, median_elo:1549
date:2016-11-28, median_elo:1525
date:2016-11-29, median_elo:1563
date:2016-11-30, median_elo:1527

playerID:353
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date:2016-11-05, median_elo:1210
date:2016-11-06, median_elo:1400
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date:2016-11-09, median_elo:1365
date:2016-11-10, median_elo:1400
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date:2016-11-13, median_elo:1425
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date:2016-11-15, median_elo:1455
date:2016-11-16, median_elo:1516
date:2016-11-17, median_elo:1543
date:2016-11-18, median_elo:1503
date:2016-11-19, median_elo:1460
date:2016-11-20, median_elo:1484
date:2016-11-21, median_elo:1475
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date:2016-11-23, median_elo:1458
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date:2016-11-25, median_elo:1542
date:2016-11-26, median_elo:1454
date:2016-11-27, median_elo:1562
date:2016-11-28, median_elo:1545
date:2016-11-29, median_elo:1550
date:2016-11-30, median_elo:1602
date:2016-12-01, median_elo:1546

playerID:21022
date:2016-11-18, median_elo:1138
date:2016-11-19, median_elo:1176
date:2016-11-20, median_elo:1227
date:2016-11-21, median_elo:1293
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date:2016-11-24, median_elo:1315
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date:2016-11-28, median_elo:1377
date:2016-11-29, median_elo:1452
date:2016-11-30, median_elo:1446
date:2016-12-01, median_elo:1420

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date:2016-11-07, median_elo:1106
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date:2016-11-16, median_elo:1547
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date:2016-11-21, median_elo:1567
date:2016-11-22, median_elo:1557
date:2016-11-23, median_elo:1525
date:2016-11-24, median_elo:1500
date:2016-11-25, median_elo:1506
date:2016-11-26, median_elo:1526
date:2016-11-28, median_elo:1513
date:2016-11-29, median_elo:1486
date:2016-11-30, median_elo:1483
date:2016-12-01, median_elo:1456

playerID:1459
date:2016-11-05, median_elo:1024
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date:2016-11-07, median_elo:1121
date:2016-11-08, median_elo:1202
date:2016-11-09, median_elo:1266
date:2016-11-10, median_elo:1350
date:2016-11-11, median_elo:1370
date:2016-11-12, median_elo:1354
date:2016-11-13, median_elo:1422
date:2016-11-14, median_elo:1459
date:2016-11-15, median_elo:1528
date:2016-11-16, median_elo:1419
date:2016-11-17, median_elo:1521
date:2016-11-18, median_elo:1502
date:2016-11-19, median_elo:1616
date:2016-11-20, median_elo:1547
date:2016-11-21, median_elo:1532
date:2016-11-22, median_elo:1597
date:2016-11-23, median_elo:1538
date:2016-11-24, median_elo:1466
date:2016-11-25, median_elo:1487
date:2016-11-26, median_elo:1506
date:2016-11-27, median_elo:1420
date:2016-11-28, median_elo:1460
date:2016-11-29, median_elo:1473
date:2016-11-30, median_elo:1497
date:2016-12-01, median_elo:1469

playerID:629
date:2016-11-04, median_elo:1012
date:2016-11-05, median_elo:968
date:2016-11-06, median_elo:982
date:2016-11-11, median_elo:1226
date:2016-11-12, median_elo:1301
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date:2016-11-17, median_elo:1522
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date:2016-11-24, median_elo:1432
date:2016-11-25, median_elo:1357
date:2016-11-26, median_elo:1363
date:2016-11-27, median_elo:1437
date:2016-11-28, median_elo:1444

playerID:4139
date:2016-11-06, median_elo:1174
date:2016-11-07, median_elo:1396

playerID:20755
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date:2016-11-16, median_elo:1113
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date:2016-11-27, median_elo:1279
date:2016-11-28, median_elo:1321
date:2016-11-29, median_elo:1373
date:2016-11-30, median_elo:1440

playerID:1602
date:2016-11-05, median_elo:999
date:2016-11-07, median_elo:927
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date:2016-11-09, median_elo:1029
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date:2016-11-11, median_elo:1256
date:2016-11-12, median_elo:1323
date:2016-11-13, median_elo:1305
date:2016-11-14, median_elo:1403
date:2016-11-15, median_elo:1447

playerID:6865
date:2016-11-07, median_elo:1065
date:2016-11-08, median_elo:1079
date:2016-11-09, median_elo:1099
date:2016-11-10, median_elo:1057
date:2016-11-11, median_elo:1152
date:2016-11-12, median_elo:1091
date:2016-11-13, median_elo:1270
date:2016-11-14, median_elo:1276
date:2016-11-15, median_elo:1324
date:2016-11-16, median_elo:1445

playerID:8
date:2016-11-02, median_elo:1020
date:2016-11-03, median_elo:1139
date:2016-11-04, median_elo:1243
date:2016-11-05, median_elo:1213
date:2016-11-06, median_elo:1223
date:2016-11-07, median_elo:1067
date:2016-11-08, median_elo:1179
date:2016-11-09, median_elo:1229
date:2016-11-10, median_elo:1304
date:2016-11-11, median_elo:1219
date:2016-11-12, median_elo:1296
date:2016-11-13, median_elo:1246
date:2016-11-14, median_elo:1238
date:2016-11-15, median_elo:1383
date:2016-11-16, median_elo:1394
date:2016-11-17, median_elo:1365
date:2016-11-18, median_elo:1301
date:2016-11-19, median_elo:1397
date:2016-11-20, median_elo:1338
date:2016-11-21, median_elo:1301
date:2016-11-22, median_elo:1362
date:2016-11-23, median_elo:1385
date:2016-11-24, median_elo:1417
date:2016-11-25, median_elo:1395
date:2016-11-26, median_elo:1398
date:2016-11-27, median_elo:1373
date:2016-11-28, median_elo:1458
date:2016-11-29, median_elo:1414
date:2016-11-30, median_elo:1413
date:2016-12-01, median_elo:1452

playerID:2099
date:2016-11-05, median_elo:1070
date:2016-11-06, median_elo:1168
date:2016-11-11, median_elo:1136
date:2016-11-12, median_elo:1112
date:2016-11-13, median_elo:1341
date:2016-11-14, median_elo:1364
date:2016-11-15, median_elo:1401
date:2016-11-16, median_elo:1388
date:2016-11-17, median_elo:1412
date:2016-11-18, median_elo:1441
date:2016-11-19, median_elo:1397
date:2016-11-20, median_elo:1437
date:2016-11-21, median_elo:1483
date:2016-11-22, median_elo:1560
date:2016-11-23, median_elo:1508
date:2016-11-24, median_elo:1507
date:2016-11-26, median_elo:1494
date:2016-11-28, median_elo:1495
date:2016-11-29, median_elo:1468
date:2016-11-30, median_elo:1439
date:2016-12-01, median_elo:1418

playerID:7318
date:2016-11-08, median_elo:942
date:2016-11-09, median_elo:1124
date:2016-11-10, median_elo:1231
date:2016-11-11, median_elo:1368
date:2016-11-13, median_elo:1341
date:2016-11-14, median_elo:1349
date:2016-11-15, median_elo:1315
date:2016-11-16, median_elo:1356
date:2016-11-17, median_elo:1437
date:2016-11-18, median_elo:1522
date:2016-11-19, median_elo:1431

playerID:30742
date:2016-11-22, median_elo:965
date:2016-11-23, median_elo:1140
date:2016-11-24, median_elo:1226
date:2016-11-29, median_elo:1206
date:2016-11-30, median_elo:1289
date:2016-12-01, median_elo:1420

playerID:16053
date:2016-11-12, median_elo:1020
date:2016-11-13, median_elo:1111
date:2016-11-14, median_elo:1218
date:2016-11-15, median_elo:1310
date:2016-11-16, median_elo:1291
date:2016-11-17, median_elo:1371
date:2016-11-18, median_elo:1368
date:2016-11-19, median_elo:1413
date:2016-11-20, median_elo:1405

playerID:26619
date:2016-11-19, median_elo:1021
date:2016-11-20, median_elo:1049
date:2016-11-23, median_elo:1042
date:2016-11-24, median_elo:1134
date:2016-11-25, median_elo:1242
date:2016-11-26, median_elo:1324
date:2016-11-27, median_elo:1392
date:2016-11-28, median_elo:1399
date:2016-11-29, median_elo:1423
date:2016-11-30, median_elo:1371
date:2016-12-01, median_elo:1392
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Re: ELO computation changes

Post#70 » 06 Dec 2016, 21:22

Wow, thanks !

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Ritter Runkel
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Re: ELO computation changes

Post#71 » 07 Dec 2016, 02:06

thx. I like your work on the numbers

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Re: ELO computation changes

Post#72 » 07 Dec 2016, 09:41

Gern geschehen - You're welcome. I like to drill datasets. Indeed when the 5.3 will be stable so gfx can breath a second I will ask him to dump the dataset again so we will have the full alpha 5.0.5 to alpha 5.2 data.
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Re: ELO computation changes

Post#73 » 07 Dec 2016, 20:15

median elo per league, without sorting out not active players. Now wait, i'm wrong. Since I consider the elo per day, I'm considering only players active in that day.
Moreover I could not explain the "drop" that happened after one week of games. Maybe a massive promotion?

median_elo_by_date_league.png
median_elo_by_date_league.png (35.12 KiB) Viewed 1170 times


The next will be the max and 30th score per day per league, considering the elo of players active in the last 7 days, not only in the considered day.

Surely manipulating data with a db engine (relational) is easier than making all the single functions.

data:

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res_time,league,median
2016-11-02,1,1037.00
2016-11-03,1,1082.00
2016-11-04,1,1006.00
2016-11-05,1,1008.00
2016-11-06,1,1001.00
2016-11-07,1,1000.00
2016-11-08,1,1000.00
2016-11-09,1,1000.00
2016-11-10,1,1003.00
2016-11-11,1,1010.00
2016-11-12,1,1000.00
2016-11-13,1,1000.00
2016-11-14,1,1000.00
2016-11-15,1,1000.00
2016-11-16,1,1000.00
2016-11-17,1,1000.00
2016-11-18,1,1000.00
2016-11-19,1,1000.00
2016-11-20,1,1000.00
2016-11-21,1,1000.00
2016-11-22,1,1000.00
2016-11-23,1,1000.00
2016-11-24,1,1000.00
2016-11-25,1,1000.00
2016-11-26,1,1000.00
2016-11-27,1,1000.00
2016-11-28,1,1000.00
2016-11-29,1,1000.00
2016-11-30,1,1000.00
2016-12-01,1,1000.00
2016-11-03,2,1130.00
2016-11-04,2,869.50
2016-11-05,2,1063.00
2016-11-06,2,1044.00
2016-11-07,2,1040.00
2016-11-08,2,1029.50
2016-11-09,2,998.00
2016-11-10,2,1008.50
2016-11-11,2,1058.00
2016-11-12,2,1072.00
2016-11-13,2,1089.00
2016-11-14,2,1097.00
2016-11-15,2,1100.00
2016-11-16,2,1098.50
2016-11-17,2,1101.00
2016-11-18,2,1090.00
2016-11-19,2,1074.00
2016-11-20,2,1090.00
2016-11-21,2,1085.50
2016-11-22,2,1087.00
2016-11-23,2,1087.00
2016-11-24,2,1090.00
2016-11-25,2,1090.00
2016-11-26,2,1090.00
2016-11-27,2,1090.00
2016-11-28,2,1091.00
2016-11-29,2,1090.00
2016-11-30,2,1110.00
2016-12-01,2,1109.00
2016-11-04,3,1174.00
2016-11-05,3,1227.50
2016-11-06,3,1177.00
2016-11-07,3,1169.50
2016-11-08,3,1127.50
2016-11-09,3,1060.00
2016-11-10,3,1079.00
2016-11-11,3,1136.00
2016-11-12,3,1130.50
2016-11-13,3,1167.50
2016-11-14,3,1184.00
2016-11-15,3,1205.00
2016-11-16,3,1211.50
2016-11-17,3,1198.00
2016-11-18,3,1195.50
2016-11-19,3,1177.00
2016-11-20,3,1200.00
2016-11-21,3,1195.00
2016-11-22,3,1190.00
2016-11-23,3,1190.00
2016-11-24,3,1196.00
2016-11-25,3,1196.00
2016-11-26,3,1186.00
2016-11-27,3,1203.00
2016-11-28,3,1197.00
2016-11-29,3,1184.00
2016-11-30,3,1203.00
2016-12-01,3,1212.50
2016-11-04,4,1291.00
2016-11-05,4,1232.50
2016-11-06,4,1282.50
2016-11-07,4,1329.00
2016-11-08,4,1299.00
2016-11-09,4,1252.00
2016-11-10,4,1267.00
2016-11-11,4,1258.00
2016-11-12,4,1306.00
2016-11-13,4,1306.00
2016-11-14,4,1333.00
2016-11-15,4,1378.00
2016-11-16,4,1380.00
2016-11-17,4,1382.00
2016-11-18,4,1395.00
2016-11-19,4,1386.00
2016-11-20,4,1393.50
2016-11-21,4,1415.00
2016-11-22,4,1405.00
2016-11-23,4,1404.50
2016-11-24,4,1408.00
2016-11-25,4,1383.50
2016-11-26,4,1395.00
2016-11-27,4,1396.00
2016-11-28,4,1363.00
2016-11-29,4,1388.50
2016-11-30,4,1349.00
2016-12-01,4,1346.00
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Re: ELO computation changes

Post#74 » 08 Dec 2016, 18:35

GFX, since the 5.3.1 is released for the public, could you produce another database dump so we have the results from 5.2 without much "pullution" from the 5.3 ? Many thanks!
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GFX47
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Re: ELO computation changes

Post#75 » 08 Dec 2016, 18:37

I'll do that this evening.

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GFX47
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Re: ELO computation changes

Post#76 » 08 Dec 2016, 22:32

@pier4r Check your PMs ;)

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NullPointer
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Re: ELO computation changes

Post#77 » 10 Dec 2016, 18:15

Did this change in 5.3?

11 Victories = +29 points
3 Draws = -13 points
1 Defeat = -23 points

I guess it's because of the rating of who I played against. Would be interesting if I could see the rating of my opponents.

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Re: ELO computation changes

Post#78 » 10 Dec 2016, 19:28

NullPointer wrote:Would be interesting if I could see the rating of my opponents.


Nothing changed about elo computation in 5.3.
I'll add the initial elo scores in a future version.
But beware that these scores are the ones recorded when you join the game, not necessarily when you watch it!

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Re: ELO computation changes

Post#79 » 10 Dec 2016, 19:48

NullPointer wrote:Did this change in 5.3?

11 Victories = +29 points
3 Draws = -13 points
1 Defeat = -23 points

I guess it's because of the rating of who I played against. Would be interesting if I could see the rating of my opponents.


Eh, yesterday I surpassed the 1701 several times, every defeat -20 when one has so many points compared to the other. This is how the elo formula works and for me it is ok, it encloses in a model the following idea "if you have way more point than the other - in this case, way more is 200+ points - then I expect you to win, if not, then the score - that is prediction of the strength - is wrong". Of course one can tweak the model a lot. Already gfx halved the points for draws, then there is the K factor, and many other subtle things.

I think how it is is ok. If one wants to keep the score way higher than the others, then has to draw or win, mostly. On the other side, getting paired often with people with way less score does not help. The new matchmaking should fix this, but we are still not so many in league4.

What is interesting is the fact that with the new matchmaking one playes a lot, as you mentioned, 14 games, instead of waiting 2 days for the same amount of games.

I also thought to ask GFX to lower the promotion point of 50 points, so 1050, 1150, 1250 but it would not help. The problem is the mass of players that often play that is missing, does not matter the amount of players in a league if players gets inactive. Especially if the top gets paired often with players with 300 points less.
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Re: ELO computation changes

Post#80 » 10 Dec 2016, 20:42

Out of curiosity why not establish a very basic API of sorts to poll the server for statistics? Something like could be as basic as a few lines in php and would certainly be easier than intermittent data dumps

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