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Going 100% multiplayer

Posted: 06 Nov 2017, 00:50
by GFX47
Right now, the most interesting part in Gladiabots comes from the career/multiplayer mode.
The problem is it needs as many players as possible to be entertaining.

Another problem is that most players don't even try career mode, they play practice mode and consider they finished the game when all missions are completed, never tasting the real challenge.

That's why I'm thinking about removing the practice/solo mode altogether and funnel the player in career mode as soon as possible (once basic training is complete).

What do you think?

Re: Going 100% multiplayer

Posted: 06 Nov 2017, 02:18
by mcompany
GFX47 wrote:Another problem is that most players don't even try career mode, they play practice mode and consider they finished the game when all missions are completed, never tasting the real challenge.

That's why I'm thinking about removing the practice/solo mode altogether and funnel the player in career mode as soon as possible (once basic training is complete).

What do you think?

I feel like that won't change anything. I feel those players would be the same few who goes "well, I don't feel like trying so hard online, so I'm not bothering" and would end up quiting the game more. Also, I feel like not keeping any sort of consistent starting matches also takes away any sort of real preparation for real matches. I mean, the many of the players in silver consistently loses to completely unedited AIs as it already is, and those unedited AIs don't even have retreats. Also, I sometimes actually use the practice missions to test certain things about my AIs, so I honestly don't think that having some inspiration from the missions is inherently unhelpful for online. Imo, going multiplayer only seems like a bad idea.

Re: Going 100% multiplayer

Posted: 06 Nov 2017, 02:53
by Revenge
I love the challenge of multiplayer. I'm fine with going the multiplayer route as long as there is compensation for dismissing single player campaign by increasing online interaction and customization. ^.^

Re: Going 100% multiplayer

Posted: 06 Nov 2017, 05:45
by LuBeNo
IMO single player should stay. Some of the practice levels are really hard, perhaps the difficulty should be lowered so that there is no "wall" in front of career.

IMO creating a trophy room with many achievements for multiplayer would help (both visibility and motivation). Like this: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=985&p=14177#p14177

Re: Going 100% multiplayer

Posted: 06 Nov 2017, 13:52
by Revenge
Damn lubeno, that list looks clean.
+1 for effort. Interesting idea.

Re: Going 100% multiplayer

Posted: 06 Nov 2017, 19:04
by pier4r
mcompany wrote:I feel like that won't change anything. I feel those players would be the same few who goes "well, I don't feel like trying so hard online, so I'm not bothering" and would end up quiting the game more.


This. A possibility is to put "harder" AIs picking AIs from 1400-1500 players of a given map.

So a mission would have the base challenge and the 1400 challenge.

The trophies helps too.

Re: Going 100% multiplayer

Posted: 06 Nov 2017, 20:12
by Ritter Runkel
I like the idea. Maybe there could be one or two maps to give some more confidence.

And+1 to the trophies.

Re: Going 100% multiplayer

Posted: 07 Nov 2017, 05:13
by darktheatre
The most hate part while playing new game is how to understand that game work.
do not remove the practice, they may most hate when always lose.
give the game more enjoy.
agree focus on multiplayer,but do not remove enjoyable part.

my suggestion:
only 3 static map in practice

Re: Going 100% multiplayer

Posted: 07 Nov 2017, 18:21
by GFX47
Moved the achievement related posts to the correct topic ;)
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=985

Re: Going 100% multiplayer

Posted: 07 Nov 2017, 18:27
by Kanishka
GFX47 wrote:Moved the achievement related posts to the correct topic ;)
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=985


Nice

Re: Going 100% multiplayer

Posted: 09 Nov 2017, 00:50
by GFX47
OK, I'll continue to work on the practice mode.
I'm working on an infinite mission list using anonymized AIs coming from the multiplayer.
I'll pick AIs from players at an increasing ELO score.

Re: Going 100% multiplayer

Posted: 09 Nov 2017, 05:48
by darktheatre
GFX47 wrote:OK, I'll continue to work on the practice mode.
I'm working on an infinite mission list using anonymized AIs coming from the multiplayer.
I'll pick AIs from players at an increasing ELO score.

Absolutely more enjoying :mrgreen:

Re: Going 100% multiplayer

Posted: 09 Nov 2017, 07:00
by ai drone
GFX47 wrote:OK, I'll continue to work on the practice mode.
I'm working on an infinite mission list using anonymized AIs coming from the multiplayer.
I'll pick AIs from players at an increasing ELO score.


I think this idea would be really good as it will give the new gamer a better chance to learn more as well as being more challenging.

Curious question for all though, do your elaborate ai's defeat ALL of the practice levels without modification?!

Re: Going 100% multiplayer

Posted: 12 Nov 2017, 13:47
by pier4r
GFX47 wrote:OK, I'll continue to work on the practice mode.
I'm working on an infinite mission list using anonymized AIs coming from the multiplayer.
I'll pick AIs from players at an increasing ELO score.


That is a nice idea that was suggested long ago: possible drawback, when the AI are garbage due to engine resolution changes.

Re: Going 100% multiplayer

Posted: 08 Apr 2018, 21:42
by pier4r
GFX47 wrote:OK, I'll continue to work on the practice mode.
I'm working on an infinite mission list using anonymized AIs coming from the multiplayer.
I'll pick AIs from players at an increasing ELO score.


Did this happen? I did not test. It was a nice idea.

Re: Going 100% multiplayer

Posted: 08 Apr 2018, 21:47
by GFX47
Campaign mode uses career AIs with increasing elo ratings.

Re: Going 100% multiplayer

Posted: 08 Apr 2018, 22:12
by pier4r
Well done then!

Re: Going 100% multiplayer

Posted: 09 Apr 2018, 18:18
by Revenge
GFX47 wrote:Campaign mode uses career AIs with increasing elo ratings.

Does that mean that only the top 5% can beat campaign? o_O

Re: Going 100% multiplayer

Posted: 09 Apr 2018, 18:48
by GFX47
Huh no, why?

Re: Going 100% multiplayer

Posted: 09 Apr 2018, 22:23
by GFX47
By the way, the AIs were picked following this model:

Chapter 1: I made all the AIs myself to guide new players a little more after training

Chapter 2:
Level 1: elo between 1000 and 1010
Level 2: elo between 1010 and 1020
Level 4: elo between 1020 and 1030
Level 4: elo between 1030 and 1040
Level 5: elo between 1040 and 1050
Final stage: elo between 1090 and 2000 (notice the gap in difficulty for the final stage)

Chapter 3: (+100 overall)
Level 1: 1100 > 1110
Level 2: 1110 > 1120
Level 3: 1120 > 1130
Level 4: 1130 > 1140
Level 5: 1140 > 1150
Final stage: 1190 > 1200

...

Chapter 10:
Level 1: 1800 > 1810
Level 2: 1810 > 1820
Level 3: 1820 > 1830
Level 4: 1830 > 1840
Level 5: 1840 > 1850
Final stage: 1890 > 1900