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Another day, another (random) map

Posted: 03 Nov 2017, 01:41
by GFX47
The idea here is to have a different (randomly generated) map every day.
It could improve retention by giving players a reason to come back the next day.
It would offer a fix challenge for everyone during 24h, the opportunity to express a particular strategy and then renew it after that.
Thoughts?

Re: Another day, another (random) map

Posted: 03 Nov 2017, 01:47
by ai drone
I like the idea since my 39 node ai is used for all maps and bots. Within the 39 nodes I have some differentiation for bot classes.

Re: Another day, another (random) map

Posted: 03 Nov 2017, 02:30
by 0x1de
Could be an intro to all random matches.

Re: Another day, another (random) map

Posted: 03 Nov 2017, 08:51
by GFX47
0x1de wrote:Could be an intro to all random matches.


What do you mean?

Re: Another day, another (random) map

Posted: 03 Nov 2017, 11:40
by Ritter Runkel
Sounds great. With that one you get hooked to come back every day to check what kind of map is the map of the day.

Re: Another day, another (random) map

Posted: 03 Nov 2017, 12:46
by pier4r
then you have people (read on discord) that say "I have no chance to fix my ai since the map changed".

You cannot make everyone happy. Anyway, why not. A different map each day is not bad, in the big picture is effectively a case of random maps.

Although in a day one can develop not much for a single map (especially if one is not always at home).

Re: Another day, another (random) map

Posted: 03 Nov 2017, 14:53
by Kanishka
I like it. It'll promote Generic AIs

Re: Another day, another (random) map

Posted: 03 Nov 2017, 21:21
by TheGnoo
I like the idea and would like more : only random maps, random map every single match

Re: Another day, another (random) map

Posted: 03 Nov 2017, 23:56
by Jeffrey Harpen
"Map of The Day" sounds interesting, but I'm not sure if beginners will like this idea. Look at all the multiplayer first person shooters, they have a set of well known maps and it works perfectly. I think you should keep known set of maps and treat Map of The Day as a bonus or (exclusively) switch to totally random maps that change in every match.

Re: Another day, another (random) map

Posted: 04 Nov 2017, 03:46
by 0x1de
GFX47 wrote:
0x1de wrote:Could be an intro to all random matches.


What do you mean?

You say you want to move to randomly generated maps. This is a step in that direction.

Re: Another day, another (random) map

Posted: 04 Nov 2017, 10:27
by pier4r
TheGnoo wrote:I like the idea and would like more : only random maps, random map every single match


That's too much I think. One a day is ok because the possibility that people optimize for it in a day is very low.

generic AIs would be really rewarded.

Re: Another day, another (random) map

Posted: 04 Nov 2017, 14:14
by TheGnoo
But what about the 5 other maps ? Or we use a turnover system, but then every map lasts 6 days, and people can optimize their AI on it.

Re: Another day, another (random) map

Posted: 04 Nov 2017, 14:20
by Athelinde
I like the idea of a turnover system. A new map everyday, and one drops off the roster, I think a map should last at most 1 week, and random selection between the current maps on the roster. Like maybe keep a map 7 days, then drop it off, and keep like 3 maps always from maybe the current maps (maybe some with more than 4 bots, just for a change), so there is always 10 maps in the selection. Just an idea.
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Re: Another day, another (random) map

Posted: 04 Nov 2017, 14:25
by pier4r
TheGnoo wrote:But what about the 5 other maps ? Or we use a turnover system, but then every map lasts 6 days, and people can optimize their AI on it.

Uh? I was thinking about one map per day, always the same.

Moreover 6 days are not enough too. I mean yes, you can build a base decorator but a good generic AI will have the upper hand nevertheless.

Heck see SYP/MP/7W/split team, it is 1 year old or more, and still people use generic AIs on them aside from short lived decorators.

Only those without experience will spent time building specialized maps for a map that last 6 days (or even 30).

Re: Another day, another (random) map

Posted: 06 Nov 2017, 09:31
by sollniss
What is the point against a random map every time I queue?

Why make a feature that nobody asked for?

Please make a question asking if players prefer a single random map every day or purely random maps every time they queue.

Re: Another day, another (random) map

Posted: 06 Nov 2017, 13:13
by Ritter Runkel
I would prefer the daily maps. All random is fine too but daily would be more fun because you can make mini decorators.

Re: Another day, another (random) map

Posted: 06 Nov 2017, 19:46
by Jeffrey Harpen
sollniss wrote:Why make a feature that nobody asked for?
Well, GFX47 made a game that nobody asked for... ;)

Re: Another day, another (random) map

Posted: 07 Nov 2017, 04:45
by darktheatre
good.game never bored

Re: Another day, another (random) map

Posted: 09 Nov 2017, 00:56
by GFX47
So I could start in alpha 11 by using current static maps, picking one in particular each day.
I could also add small variations to the maps and increase the overall pool size.

Re: Another day, another (random) map

Posted: 09 Nov 2017, 11:29
by sollniss
I wouldn't mind a completely unfamiliar map right from the beginning.