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Re: Alpha 10.3

Posted: 06 Oct 2017, 09:49
by GFX47
Uploaded RC4 with some fixes and tweaks on rendering, see first post for links.
Publishing it publicly in a few hours if no bug gets reported.

Re: Alpha 10.3

Posted: 06 Oct 2017, 11:05
by LuBeNo
GFX47 wrote:Right now, Miojo would only have 11 opponents for instance.

I think 500 or 600 would also fit. 800 would lead to not even a single league score point exchanged on a victory of the stronger player. IMO this should be avoided.

Re: Alpha 10.3

Posted: 06 Oct 2017, 11:22
by MrChris
Got a Linux Version?

Re: Alpha 10.3

Posted: 06 Oct 2017, 11:32
by GFX47
Building it...

Re: Alpha 10.3

Posted: 06 Oct 2017, 11:39
by pier4r
GFX47 wrote:
GFX47 wrote:And top players will complain they always fight the same guys...


Right now, Miojo would only have 11 opponents for instance.


and? Have 11 meaningful opponents.

You do not go to play chess against toddlers.

Re: Alpha 10.3

Posted: 06 Oct 2017, 11:40
by pier4r
LuBeNo wrote:I think 500 or 600 would also fit. 800 would lead to not even a single league score point exchanged on a victory of the stronger player. IMO this should be avoided.


Yes 500/600 may lead to points, but those are already not meaningful given the statistics of win/losses. It is 90% of the time one sided games and those 10% of the time are of little meaning.

The border is 400 given statistics on the matches db dump. Actually 300 is even better, 400 is stretching already.

Also don't forget that when ranges are changed, scores change too. I should really build a score simulator just to have more results in those cases. Also it is fun.

Re: Alpha 10.3

Posted: 06 Oct 2017, 11:45
by GFX47
15% of player's ranking score?

Re: Alpha 10.3

Posted: 06 Oct 2017, 11:52
by GFX47
Added the linux build.

Re: Alpha 10.3

Posted: 06 Oct 2017, 12:57
by pier4r
GFX47 wrote:15% of player's ranking score?


the elo formula does not work really with percentages but with differences.

Old discussion with nullpointer that thought that percentages were important: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=472

So using percentages would not matter much for scores that are small, but the larger they get, the more "meh" it will be.

Then again, the decision is not up to me and one can also like something that is different from my pov.

Re: Alpha 10.3

Posted: 06 Oct 2017, 16:54
by GFX47
10.3 is now public!
Thanks for your help testing the RCs <3

Re: Alpha 10.3

Posted: 06 Oct 2017, 16:59
by Kanishka
GFX47 wrote:10.3 is now public!
Thanks for your help testing the RCs <3


<3

Re: Alpha 10.3

Posted: 06 Oct 2017, 18:46
by Revenge
GFX47 wrote:10.3 is now public!
Thanks for your help testing the RCs <3

^.^

Re: Alpha 10.3

Posted: 06 Oct 2017, 19:03
by Revenge
GFX47 wrote:Changelog:
- Added distance from arena borders conditions, selectors and filters


Umm.... no you didn't. The distance from border filters are all gone now. =.='

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Re: Alpha 10.3

Posted: 06 Oct 2017, 19:19
by Kanishka
10.3 public version, tried to replicate bug, negative. I repeat, not there.

Re: Alpha 10.3

Posted: 06 Oct 2017, 19:22
by Revenge
Kanishka wrote:10.3 public version, tried to replicate bug, negative. I repeat, not there.


Yeah, it was probably cause the patch version i had was outdated. Just updated it now and everything is fine. My bad.

Re: Alpha 10.3

Posted: 06 Oct 2017, 20:11
by Melkor
pier4r wrote:
No it is very difficult for you to lose elo (you lose crumbs, that one victory will offset), but it is also very frustrating after a certain gap.


The problem is, even though one victory would offset all those losses, I'm not going to get a victory against mrchris or any of the people in his tier. So eventually I, and everyone who's about the same as me or just below me are eventually going to get pushed into silver. Then we'll push all the silver people down into bronze. Maybe in the short run this will be okay, but eventually its just going to lead to a much larger gap between the top players and everyone else.

I mean, you can't just arbitrarily increase league size to give the top players more matches. They'll just casually stomp all the people below them, and then we'll just go down to whatever the second league is. Even if we can hold on to gold, having us match against the top players doesn't really help the playerbase. If I constantly face mrchris, I'm just going to stop matching. And even if I do keep playing anyway, its not like he gains from constantly beating me. It just wastes both of our time. The top players get the same amount of good matches, but everyone outside the top 25 gets a ton of pointless matches.

I'm just going to do unranked for now, and hope this gets reverted.

Re: Alpha 10.3

Posted: 06 Oct 2017, 21:38
by pier4r
Melkor wrote:The problem is, even though one victory would offset all those losses, I'm not going to get a victory against mrchris or any of the people in his tier. So eventually I, and everyone who's about the same as me or just below me are eventually going to get pushed into silver.


No we had this already for months, it does not happen. But yes, it bring a lot of players to quit quickly. Unfortunately it seems that sometimes the same experience has to be repeated multiple times to be understood. The actual league is better than how it was before (before was from 2200 to 1300) but it is worse than the middle experience (from 2200 to 1750). We will see.

Re: Alpha 10.3

Posted: 06 Oct 2017, 21:49
by Revenge
pier4r wrote:
Melkor wrote:The problem is, even though one victory would offset all those losses, I'm not going to get a victory against mrchris or any of the people in his tier. So eventually I, and everyone who's about the same as me or just below me are eventually going to get pushed into silver.


No we had this already for months, it does not happen. But yes, it bring a lot of players to quit quickly. Unfortunately it seems that sometimes the same experience has to be repeated multiple times to be understood. The actual league is better than how it was before (before was from 2200 to 1300) but it is worse than the middle experience (from 2200 to 1750). We will see.


I made a topic to continue the discussion.
Check it out! :3
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1090

Re: Alpha 10.3

Posted: 06 Oct 2017, 22:24
by mcompany
Melkor wrote:The problem is, even though one victory would offset all those losses, I'm not going to get a victory against mrchris or any of the people in his tier. So eventually I, and everyone who's about the same as me or just below me are eventually going to get pushed into silver.

I'm just going to say that during 6.1.3 when I stopped using tags (and couldn't use action filters because they wasn't in the game yet), I pretty much was always beaten badly by the higher ranked players, yet I never got demoted out of the top league. And during 7.x, when a bunch of players without snipers playing against players with snipers was a massive issue, despite losing basically every match, they still found it hard to even try to get demoted on purpose to fight players that was easier to beat. So quite simply, this really isn't true at all

Re: Alpha 10.3

Posted: 06 Oct 2017, 22:36
by Revenge
mcompany wrote:
Melkor wrote:The problem is, even though one victory would offset all those losses, I'm not going to get a victory against mrchris or any of the people in his tier. So eventually I, and everyone who's about the same as me or just below me are eventually going to get pushed into silver.

I'm just going to say that during 6.1.3 when I stopped using tags (and couldn't use action filters because they wasn't in the game yet), I pretty much was always beaten badly by the higher ranked players, yet I never got demoted out of the top league. And during 7.x, when a bunch of players without snipers playing against players with snipers was a massive issue, despite losing basically every match, they still found it hard to even try to get demoted on purpose to fight players that was easier to beat. So quite simply, this really isn't true at all


Ahem. *cough cough* my topic on Matchmaking: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1090